1 00:00:04,789 --> 00:00:02,210 this week's episode of the skeptics own 2 00:00:08,660 --> 00:00:04,799 podcast is brought to you by skeptic 3 00:00:18,590 --> 00:00:08,670 bros com importers of the fabulous 4 00:00:21,529 --> 00:00:18,600 placebo band welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:21,539 the podcast from Australia for science 6 00:00:37,650 --> 00:00:33,850 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 7 00:00:40,450 --> 00:00:37,660 episode 107 for the fifth of November 8 00:00:44,590 --> 00:00:40,460 2010 Richard Saunders here with you once 9 00:00:49,090 --> 00:00:44,600 again from Sydney Australia wet and 10 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:49,100 raining Sydney Australia sound of rain 11 00:00:53,049 --> 00:00:51,350 on the roof isn't too bad though on this 12 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:53,059 week's show we've got a bit of a mixed 13 00:00:57,340 --> 00:00:55,190 bag for you a bit of a random selection 14 00:01:01,090 --> 00:00:57,350 we'll start off with a report that I 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:01,100 wrote for the skeptic magazine about my 16 00:01:05,980 --> 00:01:03,650 adventures and those of dr. Reggie Joe 17 00:01:08,260 --> 00:01:05,990 Benna more answer give at the amazing 18 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:08,270 meeting eight in Las Vegas yes we're 19 00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:10,310 still talking about it months after the 20 00:01:15,660 --> 00:01:12,350 event it was that good and that was 21 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:15,670 recorded at Sydney skeptics in the pub 22 00:01:20,649 --> 00:01:17,840 following that we have dr. Reggie 23 00:01:23,789 --> 00:01:20,659 reports where dr. ray cheer self is 24 00:01:27,310 --> 00:01:23,799 being interviewed on Adelaide radio 25 00:01:30,039 --> 00:01:27,320 about a recent outbreak of whooping 26 00:01:32,890 --> 00:01:30,049 cough in the adelaide area very 27 00:01:35,380 --> 00:01:32,900 interesting information from dr. 'he on 28 00:01:37,060 --> 00:01:35,390 the other end of the microphone after 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:37,070 that we have a report that i wrote for 30 00:01:44,050 --> 00:01:39,770 the skeptics website skeptics doc 31 00:01:46,450 --> 00:01:44,060 comdata you about the sad situation here 32 00:01:49,090 --> 00:01:46,460 in australia at least where chemist 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:49,100 shops and pharmacies are continuing to 34 00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:53,090 sell magic and witchcraft and to wrap up 35 00:01:57,279 --> 00:01:54,740 the show we have an interview with our 36 00:02:01,359 --> 00:01:57,289 good friend jason brown about a very 37 00:02:04,209 --> 00:02:01,369 recent story here where a newspaper was 38 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:04,219 more or less spruiking a holographic 39 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:07,609 power magic band we'll find out more 40 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:09,920 about that soon thank you to all those 41 00:02:14,470 --> 00:02:12,710 people sending in drink ideas for the 42 00:02:17,559 --> 00:02:14,480 official drink of the skeptic zone we've 43 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:17,569 had some interesting ideas come in don't 44 00:02:22,870 --> 00:02:21,200 forget that when I say drink I don't 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:22,880 mean it has to be alcoholic there are 46 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:26,450 fabulous strings out there root beer 47 00:02:31,690 --> 00:02:29,209 hint hint that i really love which I'd 48 00:02:34,390 --> 00:02:31,700 alcoholic so any sort of drink will do 49 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:34,400 root beer mmm that's it that's it folks 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:36,080 I'm going downstairs I'm going to grab 51 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:38,090 myself a nice cold root beer sit back 52 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,420 a group of us three of us our answer 53 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:58,800 give our president dr. 18 myself 54 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:01,440 recently made the journey to the amazing 55 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:05,280 meeting in Las Vegas and Joe I'm sorry 56 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:07,860 Joe you're hiding behind the pillar she 57 00:03:15,170 --> 00:03:13,560 doesn't exist who I should remember Joe 58 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:15,180 cause she lost her underwear the water 59 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:19,590 mean by that what I mean by that is when 60 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:21,570 we arrived in the cusub lip I tell you 61 00:03:27,140 --> 00:03:23,430 what I'll tell you I'll give you a sneak 62 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:27,150 preview of the next skeptic magazine tim 63 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:28,980 is our editor and I don't have 64 00:03:33,290 --> 00:03:30,930 permission from him to read you this 65 00:03:35,060 --> 00:03:33,300 this is the report from the amazing 66 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:35,070 meeting with james randi amazing meeting 67 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:39,510 in Las Vegas here we go this report is 68 00:03:45,020 --> 00:03:42,320 entitled breakfast with james randi a 69 00:03:47,570 --> 00:03:45,030 report on yet I'll do it this way oh 70 00:03:50,810 --> 00:03:47,580 that's better a report on yet another 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:50,820 truly amazing meeting since 2003 the 72 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:53,010 James Randi Educational Foundation the 73 00:04:00,199 --> 00:03:56,220 jrf has held its annual amazing meeting 74 00:04:02,270 --> 00:04:00,209 tam now the premier skeptical skeptical 75 00:04:05,509 --> 00:04:02,280 convention in the world originally in 76 00:04:09,380 --> 00:04:05,519 fort lauderdale florida it moved to Las 77 00:04:12,110 --> 00:04:09,390 Vegas in 2004 my first tam was tam six 78 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:12,120 in 2008 where I was honored to be 79 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:14,130 included on the bill as a guest speaker 80 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:16,620 I used my time on stage 2 given 81 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:20,940 demonstration on how wardha diviners can 82 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:23,250 be tested and that video is available 83 00:04:28,130 --> 00:04:25,470 online you can check out skeptics com 84 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:28,140 donate you to see that this year I was 85 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:29,730 joined on the long flight across the 86 00:04:35,659 --> 00:04:33,240 Pacific by Tam committee town Australia 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:35,669 committee and skeptics own members dr. 88 00:04:41,570 --> 00:04:38,490 Rachel Dunlop Joanne better boo he 89 00:04:44,469 --> 00:04:41,580 remembered you this time and Iran secare 90 00:04:45,580 --> 00:04:44,479 memory Iran sigep where's the run sigep 91 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:45,590 behind 92 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:51,590 pillow as much as we were looking 93 00:04:55,780 --> 00:04:53,600 forward to the event itself and the 94 00:04:58,510 --> 00:04:55,790 wealth of prominent speakers Richard 95 00:05:00,700 --> 00:04:58,520 Dawkins Banacek Phil Plait Simon Singh 96 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:00,710 amongst many others we were under no 97 00:05:06,430 --> 00:05:03,020 illusions about goofing off we were 98 00:05:08,530 --> 00:05:06,440 there to work and work we did our goals 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:08,540 were twofold firstly to promote our own 100 00:05:13,420 --> 00:05:10,970 tam-tam australia in november this year 101 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:13,430 which will be held one block in that 102 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:16,250 direction the masonic center and we were 103 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:18,320 there to sell special reserve tickets to 104 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:21,680 international people we are also there 105 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:24,170 together interviews for the skeptic 106 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:26,330 magazine as edited by tim mendon and 107 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:28,550 interviews for our own skeptics own 108 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:31,400 podcast from time to time over the four 109 00:05:35,650 --> 00:05:33,830 days we were also ourselves interviewed 110 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:35,660 by other people from other skeptical 111 00:05:41,170 --> 00:05:38,860 organizations and podcast but i digress 112 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:41,180 let's pick up the adventures three 113 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:43,790 sleep-deprived skeptics rachel joanne 114 00:05:48,250 --> 00:05:45,980 and myself iran joined us in the next 115 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:48,260 day arrived a mid-morning at the south 116 00:05:54,130 --> 00:05:51,410 point casino in scorching hot las vegas- 117 00:05:56,290 --> 00:05:54,140 our luggage but somehow missed the 118 00:05:59,020 --> 00:05:56,300 connecting flights from los angeles oh 119 00:06:01,600 --> 00:05:59,030 well these things happen we arrived a 120 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:01,610 few days early to unwind relax get over 121 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:04,460 jet lag but not a hope as soon as we 122 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:05,930 walked into the casino we were 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:08,390 discovered a horde of eager delegates 124 00:06:12,070 --> 00:06:10,610 were already there we were quickly 125 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:12,080 caught up in the excitement of 126 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:14,510 socializing with people keen to talk to 127 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:17,210 us about our activities in Australia but 128 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:19,490 we three the priority was staying awake 129 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:21,590 through the day to adjust to the time 130 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:24,770 zone and hopefully being reunited with 131 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:27,440 our bags with clean underwear that's why 132 00:06:32,290 --> 00:06:30,050 Joe loss her underwear you see that 133 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:32,300 happy meeting would not happen until 1am 134 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:35,270 the next morning bay 2 and i woke 135 00:06:41,629 --> 00:06:38,969 feeling somewhat peckish what surprised 136 00:06:43,249 --> 00:06:41,639 I wandered down the corridor to Joanne 137 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:43,259 and Rachel's room and knocked on the 138 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:46,110 door Joanne was up and seemed 139 00:06:53,659 --> 00:06:48,449 astoundingly bright while Rachel was 140 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:53,669 catching up on lost sleep so Joanna I 141 00:06:58,249 --> 00:06:55,529 slipped down to the main casino floor 142 00:07:00,559 --> 00:06:58,259 where can be found no end of eating 143 00:07:02,299 --> 00:07:00,569 opportunities we entered the cafe 144 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:02,309 looking for breakfast and was surprised 145 00:07:06,769 --> 00:07:04,229 to find none other than James Randi 146 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:06,779 himself together with his partner Jose 147 00:07:11,659 --> 00:07:09,209 Alvarez Richard exclaimed Randy and 148 00:07:14,029 --> 00:07:11,669 greeted me with a hug he then gave 149 00:07:17,149 --> 00:07:14,039 Joanna hugged much to her amazement as 150 00:07:19,789 --> 00:07:17,159 she had never met the man and invited us 151 00:07:22,489 --> 00:07:19,799 both to his to share his table over the 152 00:07:24,529 --> 00:07:22,499 fix over the next 30 minutes we spent 153 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:24,539 the time updating Randy as two events in 154 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:27,529 Australia and then listening to him 155 00:07:33,019 --> 00:07:30,209 recall his experiences going through 156 00:07:35,269 --> 00:07:33,029 chemotherapy and his recovery I must say 157 00:07:38,509 --> 00:07:35,279 that he is looking very well indeed for 158 00:07:41,539 --> 00:07:38,519 a man of his age almost 82 and given his 159 00:07:44,569 --> 00:07:41,549 recent medical concerns presently he and 160 00:07:47,089 --> 00:07:44,579 Jose left left us to finish our pancakes 161 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:47,099 I looked over at joann who is I think 162 00:07:54,049 --> 00:07:50,550 ready to burst that was amazing she 163 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:54,059 giggled and I had to agree maybe it was 164 00:07:57,559 --> 00:07:55,110 something to do with the underwear I 165 00:07:59,299 --> 00:07:57,569 don't know but there was one more 166 00:08:02,059 --> 00:07:59,309 surprise for us when we asked the waiter 167 00:08:04,509 --> 00:08:02,069 for our bill Oh said the waiter the 168 00:08:09,139 --> 00:08:04,519 older man who is here took care of that 169 00:08:10,999 --> 00:08:09,149 Wow Iran alive later that day meeting up 170 00:08:14,089 --> 00:08:11,009 with this after a poultry three hours 171 00:08:16,789 --> 00:08:14,099 sleep to plan out i'm at the amazing 172 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:16,799 meeting we had amazing meeting t-shirts 173 00:08:21,289 --> 00:08:19,110 from australia copies of the skeptic and 174 00:08:23,299 --> 00:08:21,299 other information placed on our table 175 00:08:27,679 --> 00:08:23,309 just outside the main convention hall 176 00:08:29,629 --> 00:08:27,689 the plan was that one or more of us 177 00:08:31,909 --> 00:08:29,639 would always be at the table to talk to 178 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:31,919 people celta most rally to kurt's and 179 00:08:35,899 --> 00:08:33,809 promote the australian skeptics i'm 180 00:08:38,329 --> 00:08:35,909 pleased to say this is exactly what we 181 00:08:40,129 --> 00:08:38,339 did over the next four days indeed our 182 00:08:41,929 --> 00:08:40,139 table seemed to turn into a popular 183 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:41,939 meeting spot with friends and others 184 00:08:47,419 --> 00:08:44,850 keeping us company the next day's now 185 00:08:48,199 --> 00:08:47,429 seem to be lost in the blur of very late 186 00:08:50,419 --> 00:08:48,209 nights 187 00:08:52,689 --> 00:08:50,429 very early morning endless hours at the 188 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:52,699 information table giving away tim tams 189 00:08:59,660 --> 00:08:57,839 Minty's Vegemite must expand going to 190 00:09:01,879 --> 00:08:59,670 parties meetings with other speakers 191 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:01,889 attending whatever presentations we 192 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:03,689 could gaining new and valuable 193 00:09:09,199 --> 00:09:06,720 networking channels and somehow managing 194 00:09:13,309 --> 00:09:09,209 to end up in a giant hot tub with 30 of 195 00:09:14,509 --> 00:09:13,319 our closest friends it must have been 196 00:09:17,119 --> 00:09:14,519 close afraid there were very close 197 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:17,129 friends indeed i'll have to wait for the 198 00:09:24,049 --> 00:09:20,160 convention DVD so i can at last see the 199 00:09:26,929 --> 00:09:24,059 presentations a highlight of 10 for me 200 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:26,939 personally was being asked by dr. Steve 201 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:28,800 novella of the skeptics guide to the 202 00:09:33,049 --> 00:09:30,480 universe podcast to be the guest 203 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:33,059 auctioneer at the dinner for their fans 204 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:35,519 and supporters although I have a no 205 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:37,290 experience of that sort of thing I gave 206 00:09:41,660 --> 00:09:39,089 it my best shot and somehow pulled it 207 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:41,670 off lots of laughs lots of fun and lots 208 00:09:46,069 --> 00:09:44,160 of high bids to help our dear friends at 209 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:46,079 the skeptics guide to the universe we 210 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:47,970 look forward to seeing them soon in town 211 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:52,470 Australia then came Sunday afternoon and 212 00:09:57,439 --> 00:09:54,929 the last official event of Tam ate a 213 00:10:00,499 --> 00:09:57,449 demonstration not so much of a test of 214 00:10:03,019 --> 00:10:00,509 Anita I konnen I think her name is a 215 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:03,029 young lady from Los Angeles who claimed 216 00:10:08,629 --> 00:10:05,160 to be able to detect which of five 217 00:10:12,109 --> 00:10:08,639 volunteers was missing a kidney together 218 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:12,119 with the preamble interviews with Randy 219 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:13,860 Alison Smith from their Randi 220 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:16,110 Educational Foundation the event took 221 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:18,600 about two hours which perhaps tested the 222 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:19,910 patience of some in the audience 223 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:22,410 nevertheless it was a good example of 224 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:25,049 what the jrf and indeed groups like 225 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:28,170 Australian skeptics must do in order to 226 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:30,480 test such claims a lot of people don't 227 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:33,360 realize how hard it is the test claims 228 00:10:37,609 --> 00:10:34,769 of the paranormal and the supernatural 229 00:10:39,230 --> 00:10:37,619 it's just not a matter of someone coming 230 00:10:42,049 --> 00:10:39,240 up and doing whatever they're supposed 231 00:10:44,119 --> 00:10:42,059 to do there are so many conditions and 232 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:44,129 things and writing and things we have to 233 00:10:50,030 --> 00:10:47,279 agree to and the usual case is that 234 00:10:51,949 --> 00:10:50,040 people don't end up being tested because 235 00:10:53,419 --> 00:10:51,959 they can never agree to all the 236 00:10:55,939 --> 00:10:53,429 conditions and they get lost and 237 00:10:56,940 --> 00:10:55,949 confused and it is very a very difficult 238 00:11:00,780 --> 00:10:56,950 thing 239 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:00,790 so town mate wrapped up with many happy 240 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:03,670 delegates over 1300 heading home to all 241 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:06,130 corners of the globe many of the talks 242 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:09,310 at tam have resonated long after the 243 00:11:15,060 --> 00:11:12,160 convention ended Phil Plait speech on 244 00:11:18,030 --> 00:11:15,070 how to best our best to deliver the 245 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:18,040 message of skepticism has affectionately 246 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:21,760 been renamed don't be a dick and is 247 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:23,590 still creating a buzz in skeptical 248 00:11:28,890 --> 00:11:27,040 circles Bruce M hood and Carol Travis 249 00:11:32,670 --> 00:11:28,900 left us thinking about the science 250 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:32,680 behind belief and whether any of us is 251 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:37,090 ever really free of flawed thinking try 252 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:40,360 saying that six times Joe a few 253 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:43,630 champagnes Monday was at long last 254 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:45,670 chance for the Australian team to relax 255 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:48,490 we also had time to try that one and a 256 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:50,710 half pound of crab legs on special for 257 00:11:55,830 --> 00:11:53,050 seventeen dollars and have been raving 258 00:11:57,870 --> 00:11:55,840 about it ever since we did it but there 259 00:12:00,240 --> 00:11:57,880 was one last surprise for us that night 260 00:12:02,130 --> 00:12:00,250 Rachel and I bumped into James Randi who 261 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:02,140 seemed to be at a loose end as the 262 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:05,260 dinner arrangements i offered him to be 263 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:07,630 our guest and he accepted it was another 264 00:12:13,470 --> 00:12:09,790 unforgettable meal with Randy filling us 265 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:13,480 in about his life in skepticism and his 266 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:16,000 adventures and Rachel and I filling in 267 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:18,250 James Randi about our efforts against 268 00:12:22,980 --> 00:12:20,770 the anti-vaccination crowd it was a 269 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:22,990 perfect way to round off our journey to 270 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:25,810 Las Vegas so that report will be in the 271 00:12:31,860 --> 00:12:29,050 next issue of the skeptic magazine not 272 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:31,870 insane I've spoiled it all if you don't 273 00:12:36,090 --> 00:12:34,150 subscribe to the skeptic magazine it is 274 00:12:38,490 --> 00:12:36,100 one of the premier skeptical journals in 275 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:38,500 the world our editor is right here Tim 276 00:12:43,170 --> 00:12:40,150 mendham he'll be happy to chat with you 277 00:12:44,490 --> 00:12:43,180 and tell you how good it is and it is a 278 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:44,500 great journal it's been going since 279 00:12:48,090 --> 00:12:46,750 about nineteen eighty one it's one of 280 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:48,100 the oldest skeptical journals in the 281 00:12:53,490 --> 00:12:51,280 world tam 84 loss in Las Vegas was a 282 00:12:55,950 --> 00:12:53,500 wonderful experience for us and it's 283 00:12:59,610 --> 00:12:55,960 just waited our appetite for Australian 284 00:13:03,900 --> 00:12:59,620 town the 20 years 62 the 28 for November 285 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:06,490 hey bro Oh paper I see you're admiring 286 00:13:12,370 --> 00:13:10,010 my new clear plus Superman no no that's 287 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:12,380 right from skeptic bros com the all 288 00:13:18,009 --> 00:13:15,290 nuclear placebo man aha I didn't even 289 00:13:21,370 --> 00:13:18,019 ask here is awesome you have to try it I 290 00:13:24,699 --> 00:13:21,380 feel so light so free almost invisible 291 00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:24,709 wait what are you doing hmm see the 292 00:13:29,769 --> 00:13:27,740 floating hat don't freak out it's just 293 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:29,779 me and my nuclear placebo ban get one 294 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:32,120 from skeptic Bros calm please put your 295 00:13:47,620 --> 00:13:42,850 now it's time for dr. Rachel reports 296 00:13:49,269 --> 00:13:47,630 with dr. Rachel Dunlop well of course 297 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:49,279 during the week a very sad story 298 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:51,260 extremely stays sad story actually a 299 00:13:54,910 --> 00:13:53,570 five week old baby boy here in adelaide 300 00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:54,920 died of whooping cough during the 301 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:57,199 weekend with always too young to be 302 00:14:01,990 --> 00:13:58,880 vaccinated it's a very strong warning to 303 00:14:05,650 --> 00:14:02,000 all parents about imaging your children 304 00:14:07,060 --> 00:14:05,660 so far this year for children have died 305 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:07,070 from whooping cough a disease that is 306 00:14:10,810 --> 00:14:09,350 supposed to be preventable now many 307 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:10,820 parents around the country choosing not 308 00:14:14,350 --> 00:14:12,320 to immunize their children for many 309 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:14,360 different reasons it's still a tough 310 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:15,769 choice to make for many it's hard to 311 00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:18,079 know what is the right thing to do well 312 00:14:20,829 --> 00:14:19,550 one organization that strongly believes 313 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:20,839 all children should be immunized of 314 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:22,370 course is the Australian skeptics in 315 00:14:26,410 --> 00:14:24,230 joining us today from the Australian 316 00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:26,420 skeptics is dr. Rachel Dunlop Rachel 317 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:29,269 thanks very much for your time hi Daniel 318 00:14:33,819 --> 00:14:31,370 thanks for having me this is such a sad 319 00:14:36,819 --> 00:14:33,829 story it's it I've got a young boy with 320 00:14:38,740 --> 00:14:36,829 our liver month old now and when your 321 00:14:41,470 --> 00:14:38,750 when your father or a parent you become 322 00:14:43,389 --> 00:14:41,480 so much more sensitized to these sort of 323 00:14:45,819 --> 00:14:43,399 stories and to hear about a five week 324 00:14:49,090 --> 00:14:45,829 old baby boy passing on Judah whooping 325 00:14:51,309 --> 00:14:49,100 cough is just a tragedy yeah it's 326 00:14:53,170 --> 00:14:51,319 absolutely awful thing to happen I mean 327 00:14:56,199 --> 00:14:53,180 whooping cough is a highly contagious 328 00:14:58,809 --> 00:14:56,209 disease and as you mentioned it is 329 00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:58,819 preventable by vaccination but it's 330 00:15:03,460 --> 00:15:00,800 spread by coughing and sneezing so it 331 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:03,470 can easily be spread amongst people and 332 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:05,360 also in children that are under the age 333 00:15:10,540 --> 00:15:08,630 of two it's a very serious disease it's 334 00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:10,550 not just a cough it's actually a very 335 00:15:15,190 --> 00:15:13,160 serious disease that can have very 336 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:15,200 serious side effects and in 337 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:17,090 about fifty percent of children under 338 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:20,000 the age of two it can result in 339 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:23,450 hospitalization and also in you know 340 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,730 pneumonia some some children can 341 00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:28,160 actually fracture their ribs from 342 00:15:33,250 --> 00:15:31,460 coughing so violently they often vomit 343 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:33,260 after they've had a serious coughing 344 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:35,870 episode and if you've ever seen a child 345 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,720 with who can come eat it's a horrible 346 00:15:42,850 --> 00:15:40,880 horrible thing to see because they 347 00:15:44,950 --> 00:15:42,860 actually are gasping for breath and they 348 00:15:47,820 --> 00:15:44,960 often turn blue just just trying to 349 00:15:50,590 --> 00:15:47,830 breathe so it's not just a bad cough so 350 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:50,600 so you can even know a child against 351 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:52,100 against whooping cough the reason i ask 352 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:54,770 is because obviously my wife and i have 353 00:15:58,780 --> 00:15:57,440 immunized my young son Harrison we were 354 00:16:01,390 --> 00:15:58,790 going through all our immunization 355 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:01,400 schedules actually last not that's on 356 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:03,110 our fridge at home and the 12-month 357 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:04,490 immunizations come out very soon of 358 00:16:08,170 --> 00:16:06,170 course and we could actually see 359 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:08,180 whooping cough on that on that list that 360 00:16:14,170 --> 00:16:11,420 was distributed by our by a doctor so 361 00:16:16,390 --> 00:16:14,180 okay like is that involved in one of the 362 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:16,400 early employed at what age would 363 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:18,410 immunize a Charlie and to think off well 364 00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:20,210 that what you might be getting mixed up 365 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:21,590 with Daniel is it's actually called 366 00:16:26,260 --> 00:16:23,780 pertussis that's the actual bacteria 367 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:26,270 that causes whooping cough yep so it's 368 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:27,890 known commonly as whooping cough but 369 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:29,330 it's caused by a bacteria called 370 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,930 pertussis right so if you look at the 371 00:16:36,070 --> 00:16:33,920 Australian schedule it's actually 372 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:36,080 scheduled for children at two months 373 00:16:43,090 --> 00:16:38,630 four months six months and four years 374 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:43,100 and it's actually given with tetanus and 375 00:16:49,570 --> 00:16:47,150 also get serious so it's called dtp 376 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:49,580 right not have seen it because it's not 377 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:52,190 called whooping cough perfect technical 378 00:16:55,630 --> 00:16:53,600 known is the one to look forward and 379 00:16:57,850 --> 00:16:55,640 that's you know that was of alarming at 380 00:16:59,530 --> 00:16:57,860 that stage with us goodness me what are 381 00:17:01,120 --> 00:16:59,540 we doing wrong but but we obviously 382 00:17:03,070 --> 00:17:01,130 following the immunization charts very 383 00:17:06,340 --> 00:17:03,080 closely and ensuring that he's being 384 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:06,350 done so why parents choosing not to 385 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:08,329 immunize their children and I can't 386 00:17:13,329 --> 00:17:11,540 understand why you wouldn't why why hair 387 00:17:15,939 --> 00:17:13,339 is choosing to go the other way yeah 388 00:17:17,710 --> 00:17:15,949 that's becoming a big problem and I 389 00:17:20,890 --> 00:17:17,720 think part of the reason is that people 390 00:17:22,810 --> 00:17:20,900 have a lot of access to information on 391 00:17:25,329 --> 00:17:22,820 the Internet these days we talked about 392 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,339 that yeah yeah which and sometimes the 393 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:26,720 information you'll find on the internet 394 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:29,150 is not right and in fact there 395 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:30,830 if you did our search for vaccinations 396 00:17:34,030 --> 00:17:32,360 on the internet you'd find a lot of 397 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:34,040 stuff that's that's telling parents not 398 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:36,500 to vaccinate now unfortunately this is 399 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:38,870 not correct a lot of it in many cases 400 00:17:42,430 --> 00:17:41,330 and so if parents do spend some time 401 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:42,440 looking up things on the internet 402 00:17:47,020 --> 00:17:45,110 they'll come across scaremongering sort 403 00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:47,030 of stuff where there'll be information 404 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:49,040 saying that vaccines cause autism i'm 405 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:50,570 not sure if you've heard about that link 406 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:52,850 but that's quite a common perhaps being 407 00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:55,550 that it's actually admit but it was sent 408 00:18:01,690 --> 00:17:58,640 around a lot based on the 1998 study by 409 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:01,700 Andrew Wakefield that came out a long 410 00:18:07,450 --> 00:18:03,970 time ago talking about the MMR vaccine 411 00:18:09,610 --> 00:18:07,460 yes although parents tend to listen to 412 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:09,620 celebrities and people in positions like 413 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:11,450 such as Jenny McCarthy who is an 414 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:13,730 American representative for an 415 00:18:17,890 --> 00:18:15,190 organization called Generation Rescue 416 00:18:20,650 --> 00:18:17,900 now she does a lot of the talk shows 417 00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,660 like Oprah and big American shows saying 418 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:22,880 that vaccines can cause autism and that 419 00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:25,190 they contain mercury and that they 420 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:27,260 contain antifreeze and and use all these 421 00:18:32,020 --> 00:18:29,990 scary words and of course parents are if 422 00:18:34,810 --> 00:18:32,030 you've got a little child the last thing 423 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:34,820 you want to do is make them ill like you 424 00:18:39,670 --> 00:18:36,560 know potentially giving them something 425 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,680 like autism so all of though there have 426 00:18:42,610 --> 00:18:41,120 been lots of studies actually into 427 00:18:44,050 --> 00:18:42,620 looking at a link between vaccines and 428 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:44,060 autism and there's absolutely no 429 00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:45,890 evidence that that's true but that 430 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:47,630 information is still out there and so it 431 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:49,700 scares parents and it's kind of like 432 00:18:54,130 --> 00:18:51,980 Daniel ringing a bell once you ring a 433 00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:54,140 bell you can't unring it and so of 434 00:18:57,850 --> 00:18:55,430 course parents are choosing not to 435 00:18:59,680 --> 00:18:57,860 vaccinate and the other thing is to some 436 00:19:02,290 --> 00:18:59,690 parents from this generation haven't 437 00:19:04,030 --> 00:19:02,300 seen these diseases you know a lot of 438 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:04,040 diseases have been eliminated through 439 00:19:09,730 --> 00:19:07,730 vaccination for example smallpox and so 440 00:19:11,770 --> 00:19:09,740 in some senses vaccines are a victim of 441 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:11,780 their own success because we don't see 442 00:19:16,810 --> 00:19:14,570 kids in calipers anymore in iron lungs 443 00:19:18,790 --> 00:19:16,820 we don't see you know children dying 444 00:19:20,980 --> 00:19:18,800 from communicable diseases like we did 445 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:20,990 and so we don't seem to think it's a 446 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,050 problem anymore any side effects 447 00:19:29,470 --> 00:19:26,240 whatsoever regardless of autism any side 448 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:29,480 effects side effects to UM immunizing or 449 00:19:34,570 --> 00:19:31,610 were there are of course there are side 450 00:19:36,430 --> 00:19:34,580 effects I mean any sort of drug that any 451 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:36,440 drug that works is going to have side 452 00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:39,050 effects and so there are adverse 453 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:41,060 reactions to vaccines and they are 454 00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:42,530 closely monitored and 455 00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:44,300 studied by the government and and by 456 00:19:48,610 --> 00:19:46,760 scientists of course the obvious ones I 457 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:48,620 you know you'll expect to get a sore arm 458 00:19:53,530 --> 00:19:51,050 at the site of injection I there can 459 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:53,540 also be increased temperature yeah 460 00:19:57,550 --> 00:19:55,910 unless a result really the fact that 461 00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,560 your immune system is starting to work 462 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:00,080 because obviously the way back scenes 463 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:02,510 work is your injected with a very small 464 00:20:07,930 --> 00:20:05,690 part or component of the disease and 465 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:07,940 then your immune system reacts to that 466 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:10,340 so that it's built up antibodies so that 467 00:20:14,290 --> 00:20:12,170 next time you come across that disease 468 00:20:16,450 --> 00:20:14,300 in the environment you're already primed 469 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:16,460 and ready to attack it yeah so that 470 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,960 means you don't get as sick as you what 471 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:19,520 if you didn't have those antibodies in 472 00:20:25,570 --> 00:20:21,970 your system so there are there are well 473 00:20:27,790 --> 00:20:25,580 known and well documented adverse 474 00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:27,800 reactions or side effects to vaccines 475 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:31,430 but the amount of side effects in most 476 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:34,070 cases are so small that it's definitely 477 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:35,990 worth getting vaccinated because the 478 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:38,450 side aspect from the disease is so much 479 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:41,840 greater so I mean all in all exactly 480 00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,210 right all in all the the benefits of 481 00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,600 vaccination far our way any mild side 482 00:20:51,490 --> 00:20:49,280 effect that may may will be attributed 483 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:51,500 to them that's absolutely right 484 00:20:55,540 --> 00:20:53,150 absolutely right i mean when we're 485 00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:55,550 talking about whooping cough it's also 486 00:21:01,120 --> 00:20:57,950 known as the hundred day caught by some 487 00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:01,130 people and that's because if you are old 488 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:02,660 enough that you've had all your vaccines 489 00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:05,300 now you're your son probably hasn't had 490 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:06,980 all of these shots the extra whooping 491 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:09,770 cough as i said before you need to get 492 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:13,070 four shots and it's not until you've had 493 00:21:18,130 --> 00:21:14,930 all of those shots that you're going to 494 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:18,140 be fully protected so you can still get 495 00:21:24,730 --> 00:21:20,990 sick up to the age of six months with 496 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:24,740 whooping cough so it's very important to 497 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:26,450 remember that that you need to have all 498 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:27,890 those shots you need to continue to get 499 00:21:33,370 --> 00:21:30,470 those shots and the risk of getting that 500 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,380 disease far outweighs what you might get 501 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:35,600 if it's a small sort of sore arm or a 502 00:21:39,850 --> 00:21:37,130 bit of a temperature for a couple of 503 00:21:41,620 --> 00:21:39,860 days yeah and I guess the fully 504 00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:41,630 immunization rates may will be leading 505 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:43,580 to these so-called to the meso outbreaks 506 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:46,190 we're hearing about you say yeah that's 507 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:50,030 that is a theory the whooping cough 508 00:21:54,190 --> 00:21:52,310 epidemic that's been in Astra in South 509 00:21:56,019 --> 00:21:54,200 Australia just to give you some numbers 510 00:21:58,749 --> 00:21:56,029 I mean 511 00:22:03,940 --> 00:21:58,759 between january 2010 and the 15th of 512 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:03,950 june this year there's been a 2277 cases 513 00:22:07,529 --> 00:22:05,809 have been reported in SA and that 514 00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:07,539 compared with last year there was only 515 00:22:12,249 --> 00:22:10,460 1500 in the same time so there is an 516 00:22:14,469 --> 00:22:12,259 epidemic at the moment now there are 517 00:22:16,539 --> 00:22:14,479 some parts of South Australia and one of 518 00:22:17,979 --> 00:22:16,549 those areas of the Adelaide Hills and 519 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:17,989 that's where there's quite a low level 520 00:22:22,779 --> 00:22:20,330 of vaccination we have these little 521 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:22,789 pockets all across Australia generally 522 00:22:26,409 --> 00:22:24,769 the immunization coverage rate for the 523 00:22:29,469 --> 00:22:26,419 country is around about ninety percent 524 00:22:31,509 --> 00:22:29,479 which is pretty good considering that 525 00:22:33,399 --> 00:22:31,519 it's not compulsory to get vaccinated in 526 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:33,409 Australia what why would that be a low 527 00:22:37,269 --> 00:22:34,609 live on the air line here is is that 528 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:37,279 just what is there any particular reason 529 00:22:42,129 --> 00:22:40,580 for that is it like a cultural it's it's 530 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:42,139 a really interesting question i mean in 531 00:22:46,209 --> 00:22:43,789 some cases for example there's another 532 00:22:48,249 --> 00:22:46,219 area in New South Wales around the bar 533 00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:48,259 in bay area yeah and that area is known 534 00:22:53,169 --> 00:22:49,879 for sort of alternative lifestyle 535 00:22:55,539 --> 00:22:53,179 arranged easily well I didn't say that I 536 00:22:56,919 --> 00:22:55,549 didn't like your I've seen I've been 537 00:23:00,190 --> 00:22:56,929 there and I've seen in plenty of 538 00:23:02,049 --> 00:23:00,200 Volkswagens right well both people tend 539 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:02,059 to sort of shun conventional medicine 540 00:23:05,829 --> 00:23:03,710 and so there's some thought that that 541 00:23:07,629 --> 00:23:05,839 might be similar reasons in the Adelaide 542 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,639 Hills area that some people that are 543 00:23:11,019 --> 00:23:09,440 sort of artists up there decide that 544 00:23:14,829 --> 00:23:11,029 they don't need these sort of 545 00:23:18,099 --> 00:23:14,839 vaccinations and so the bottom of the 546 00:23:19,749 --> 00:23:18,109 list for the August 2010 quarter of the 547 00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,759 coverage for vaccination in Australia 548 00:23:23,649 --> 00:23:21,919 the bottom of the list came with the 549 00:23:26,769 --> 00:23:23,659 Northern Rivers region which is the 550 00:23:29,889 --> 00:23:26,779 byron bay area and and then equal bottom 551 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:29,899 was east eastern sydney so one of the 552 00:23:33,219 --> 00:23:31,369 theories of why we're getting people 553 00:23:36,729 --> 00:23:33,229 that are highly educated and quite 554 00:23:38,229 --> 00:23:36,739 wealthy refusing to vaccinate is because 555 00:23:40,329 --> 00:23:38,239 they're the sort of people that get time 556 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:40,339 to spend on the internet they get time 557 00:23:45,339 --> 00:23:42,769 to watch things like Oprah they expose 558 00:23:47,619 --> 00:23:45,349 the likes of jenny mccarthy and and that 559 00:23:49,959 --> 00:23:47,629 sort of stuff and then there's the kind 560 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,969 of culture of the alternative lifestyles 561 00:23:53,169 --> 00:23:51,440 that are the people that might live in 562 00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:53,179 the byron bay area that decide not to 563 00:23:57,329 --> 00:23:55,460 vaccinate as well a fascinating study 564 00:24:00,099 --> 00:23:57,339 isn't it just just just how things 565 00:24:02,709 --> 00:24:00,109 sometimes pan out like that but in 566 00:24:04,779 --> 00:24:02,719 essence as we wrap up Rachel your 567 00:24:06,339 --> 00:24:04,789 recommendation of course is vital that 568 00:24:08,399 --> 00:24:06,349 all parents should should have an 569 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:08,409 immunization playing for their kids 570 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:09,500 absolutely 571 00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:11,180 the other thing that is really important 572 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:13,400 about this whooping cough epidemic 573 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:15,770 that's currently occurring across 574 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:17,690 Australia is a concept known as herd 575 00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:20,210 immunity now this means that children 576 00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:22,780 that are too young to be vaccinated or 577 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:24,920 people that can't be vaccinated for 578 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:26,660 other reasons maybe they've got an 579 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:29,390 allergy to egg protein or they have an 580 00:24:33,970 --> 00:24:31,190 immune disorder like cancer or something 581 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:33,980 we need to protect those people by 582 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:35,450 having everybody else in the community 583 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:39,410 vaccinated and so if you are a parent if 584 00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:43,190 you are a carer of young children you 585 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:44,660 should get yourself backs matters that 586 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:46,190 you can protect those that can't be 587 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:48,110 vaccinated and there's a great website 588 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:50,690 called chain of protection org which has 589 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:52,250 been set up by the National Center for 590 00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:54,050 immunization research and surveillance 591 00:24:59,920 --> 00:24:56,540 and they explain this concept of herd 592 00:25:01,930 --> 00:24:59,930 immunity so what parents need to do is 593 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:01,940 they need to talk to their doctor they 594 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:03,470 need to find out if they need to get a 595 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:05,210 booster because the whooping cough 596 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:07,880 vaccine doesn't last forever it does 597 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:10,610 wear off and in many cases in Maine has 598 00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:12,620 been the parent who's carrying the 599 00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,420 bacteria that is inspecting children 600 00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:16,640 around them and the other thing is 601 00:25:22,150 --> 00:25:19,430 parents need to know this there was 602 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:22,160 another tragic death of a baby earlier 603 00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,410 this year last year on the northern 604 00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:26,480 livers and the parents didn't realize 605 00:25:30,010 --> 00:25:28,040 there was an epidemic of whooping cough 606 00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:30,020 in the area they didn't realize that 607 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:32,150 they needed to get booster shots and the 608 00:25:35,980 --> 00:25:33,890 government has been promising for a very 609 00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:35,990 long time that they will do an education 610 00:25:40,030 --> 00:25:37,940 campaign making parents aware of that 611 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:40,040 because I don't know you're a parent did 612 00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:41,510 you know that you should get a booster 613 00:25:45,610 --> 00:25:43,790 shot no I didn't know was 100% aware I 614 00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:45,620 mean we you know we asked our GP 615 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:47,780 questions all the time but in terms of 616 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:50,060 knowing just person off the top of my 617 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:52,310 head no I didn't yeah we'll see this is 618 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:53,810 this is the thing that the government 619 00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,490 needs to get this information out to 620 00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,200 parents so that they can protect 621 00:26:01,420 --> 00:25:58,880 themselves so that we can protect the 622 00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:01,430 vulnerable in our community outstanding 623 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:04,190 and very well very well set in terms of 624 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:06,110 the the final factor about that herd 625 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:07,750 immunity I mean if you're not going to 626 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:11,030 protect not only your own child but also 627 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:12,290 protect other people around you you 628 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:14,510 can't actually have the vaccination so 629 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:16,790 very good point yeah it's really 630 00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:18,650 important so if people want more 631 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:20,120 information they should talk to their 632 00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:21,860 doctors also there's lots of very good 633 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:23,140 information on 634 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:29,110 the health essay website at health sawa 635 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,260 you you can find some really easy to 636 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:35,200 read brochures about whooping cough it 637 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:37,450 tells you how it some how it's passed on 638 00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,540 and what you can do if you're diagnosed 639 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:41,440 there's also some very good information 640 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:43,900 about vaccine safety and about the side 641 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:45,970 effects we talked about before so that's 642 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:48,970 at health fa ova you and if you search 643 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:50,830 for immunization you'll find easy to 644 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:53,170 read information for parents terrific 645 00:26:56,550 --> 00:26:54,490 Rachel thank you so much for your time 646 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:56,560 this afternoon and and hopefully people 647 00:27:00,690 --> 00:26:58,090 will heed that advice no question about 648 00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:00,700 that thanks very much Daniel Thank You 649 00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:02,350 Rachel there we go dr. Rachel Dunlop 650 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:03,790 doing a great job there and explaining 651 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:06,760 it in layman's terms rhesus succinctly 652 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:08,650 from the Australian skeptics the 653 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:12,040 importance of immunizing your child and 654 00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:14,050 well general are you thinking in our 655 00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:15,550 modern advanced society that would go 656 00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:18,540 without saying but there are elements of 657 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,790 people including as Rachel pointed out a 658 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:23,200 fair element here in adelaide in the 659 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:25,030 lady hills area that refused to immunize 660 00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:27,370 their child or children due to whatever 661 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:30,880 reason do to you know more of an 662 00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:32,890 alternative lifestyle your thoughts on 663 00:27:50,660 --> 00:27:48,350 examining the truth in exposing the 664 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:50,670 frauds that psychics co uk is the 665 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:52,710 website that critically examines mediums 666 00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,810 clairvoyants and psychics follow the 667 00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:56,640 controversies news and discussions in 668 00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,740 the lively forum community and now you 669 00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:00,240 can download your weekly fix of 670 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:01,920 righteous indignation the official 671 00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:04,290 podcast of bad psychics khodet UK that 672 00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:05,550 talks hard and critically about 673 00:28:10,030 --> 00:28:08,670 paranormal bad psychics doctor at UK the 674 00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:10,040 UK's largest and most respected 675 00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:28,630 holographic pharmacies in 21st century 676 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:30,980 Australia one does not need to seek out 677 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:33,650 witches in some dark coven in order to 678 00:28:39,550 --> 00:28:36,230 find magic potions and lucky charms with 679 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:39,560 mystical powers it seems all you need do 680 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,970 is ask your pharmacist for many years 681 00:28:49,570 --> 00:28:46,640 Australian skeptics have lamented the 682 00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:49,580 decline of the Australian pharmacy or 683 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:51,860 chemist shop not to say that there are 684 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:54,770 any fewer of these shops in quantity but 685 00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,050 the quality of what you'll find on offer 686 00:29:02,020 --> 00:28:59,840 on the shelves has been heading south on 687 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:02,030 a bullet train with what seems to be a 688 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:05,720 one-way ticket in 2006 Australian 689 00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,990 skeptics awarded the bent spoon prize to 690 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:11,840 the pharmacists of Australia who managed 691 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:13,910 to forget their scientific training long 692 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:16,790 enough to sell quackery and snake oil in 693 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:18,890 places where customers should expect to 694 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:22,370 get real medical supplies and advice in 695 00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:25,850 2010 our poor spoon is bending even more 696 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,120 under the weight of absurdities found in 697 00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:32,480 your once trusted local chemist the 698 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:34,580 tired old standard stock lines of 699 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:37,340 homeopathy or is the British Medical 700 00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:40,730 Association calls it witchcraft and ear 701 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:43,550 candles or as Australian skeptics called 702 00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:47,210 them bloody ridiculous despite our best 703 00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:49,640 efforts are still to be found on the 704 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:53,060 shelves of many pharmacies I have seen 705 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:56,140 being sold in a pharmacy in Cronulla and 706 00:30:01,930 --> 00:29:58,490 acupuncture fingering that claims to 707 00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:01,940 cure snoring many pharmacies also boast 708 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:05,060 a computerized interactive display that 709 00:30:10,540 --> 00:30:07,820 dispenses devious advice including which 710 00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:10,550 homeopathic remedy is good for treating 711 00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:14,240 burns I'm not making this up Kylie 712 00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:15,740 Sturgis happened upon one of these 713 00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,790 displays in the city of Wagga Wagga but 714 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:22,640 now in what I can think is a total 715 00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:25,040 abandonment of the last 200 years of 716 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:27,620 science and common sense the chemist 717 00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,050 warehouse chain are selling one of the 718 00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,480 range of holographic bands they claimed 719 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:34,640 no end of beneficial effects 720 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:36,890 on a recent visit to the chemist 721 00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:39,770 warehouse outlet in ashfield Sydney I 722 00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:43,160 was able to buy a hot band holographic 723 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:46,520 technology silicone wristband for forty 724 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:49,310 dollars a look at the website of hot 725 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:52,490 band tells us that the product may help 726 00:30:59,380 --> 00:30:55,970 to improve balance increased strength 727 00:31:02,140 --> 00:30:59,390 provide greater flexibility where have I 728 00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:02,150 heard those three claims before deliver 729 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:05,150 better endurance and stamina improve 730 00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:08,150 focus and well-being restore ionic 731 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:11,060 balance improve concentration reduce 732 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:14,360 stress reduce jet lag curb motion 733 00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:17,180 sickness recover more quickly from 734 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:20,540 sporting fatigue all this from a couple 735 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:22,660 of holograms about the size of a 736 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:25,970 five-cent piece embedded into a silicon 737 00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:29,570 band and it's all made in China imagine 738 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:31,670 how empowered the Chinese factory 739 00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:35,090 workers must be stranger still the 740 00:31:40,540 --> 00:31:37,520 advice from the assistant at the desk 741 00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:40,550 was that these bands actually work as 742 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:43,100 claimed you have to wonder about her 743 00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:46,130 basis for saying that and how might 744 00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:48,740 these impressive achievements be 745 00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:51,140 accomplished now the website goes on to 746 00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:54,070 tell us that hot band holograms are 747 00:31:59,310 --> 00:31:56,710 programmed with naturally occurring 748 00:32:02,950 --> 00:31:59,320 frequencies known to react positively 749 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:02,960 with the body's energy field to help 750 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:07,150 improve cell-to-cell communication I 751 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:10,250 wonder whether anyone from the 752 00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:12,290 management of chemist warehouse has 753 00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:15,800 actually read this gibberish if these 754 00:32:21,910 --> 00:32:18,460 Holograms with they're programmed 755 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:21,920 frequencies really did work as claimed I 756 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:23,720 would expect to see the following 757 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,710 headlines in the world's press inventor 758 00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:30,320 of hologram bands awarded with Nobel 759 00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:33,070 Prize in both physics and medicine 760 00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:36,620 police on alert as hologram bands help 761 00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:39,680 drunk drivers to cheat roadside sobriety 762 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:43,790 tests by improving balance hologram 763 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:46,130 bands proven to work hundreds of 764 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:48,530 athletes stripped of medals and 765 00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:52,010 charged with cheating Holograms proven 766 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:54,740 to affect human physiology credit card 767 00:32:59,710 --> 00:32:57,110 companies using Holograms sued for 768 00:33:02,830 --> 00:32:59,720 millions for not disclosing this fact to 769 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:02,840 their customers Holograms emit strange 770 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:04,760 energy thousands of people with 771 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:08,180 pacemakers at risk Australian skeptics 772 00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:10,970 challenge chemist warehouse to justify 773 00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:13,070 their decision to sell the hot band and 774 00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:16,660 we offer them and the manufacture now 775 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:20,000 $100,000 prize for a demonstration that 776 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:22,730 the device actually has any real effect 777 00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:26,060 on human balance and strength this offer 778 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:28,070 also extends to all resellers and 779 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:30,470 manufacturers of any similar wristbands 780 00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:33,170 or pendants such as power balance or 781 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:36,560 ikan thanks to chris higgins for the 782 00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:40,130 inspiration behind this report and you 783 00:33:45,610 --> 00:33:42,590 can see the report in full plus some 784 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:45,620 extra information and a video by 785 00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:50,690 visiting wwc optics com au and clicking 786 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:04,580 this is desiree shell hosted skeptically 787 00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:06,809 speaking check out our website at 788 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:09,179 skeptically speaking calm and listen to 789 00:34:16,819 --> 00:34:13,049 us live on CJ sr 88.5 FM in Edmonton 790 00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:16,829 Alberta Canada I now return you to the 791 00:34:25,819 --> 00:34:23,669 skeptic zone and we're speaking to you 792 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:25,829 now from the think tank club down the 793 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,690 end of the street in a private room 794 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,760 which is very nice i'm with dr. Rachel 795 00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:31,919 hi dr. AG good evening Richard good 796 00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,159 evening we're here to interview Jason 797 00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,260 Brown of course because of today's 798 00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,599 activities today's and yes late-breaking 799 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:42,240 news and this is all about something 800 00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:43,530 that's been happening in the last few 801 00:34:46,789 --> 00:34:45,059 days with the wonderful thing called 802 00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:46,799 what is it the mini cute link or 803 00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:48,929 something you linked mini you liek minis 804 00:34:53,809 --> 00:34:51,059 it's a miraculous device Jason can you 805 00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,819 fill us in all about this the qlink many 806 00:34:58,819 --> 00:34:56,399 is a miraculous little device that you 807 00:35:01,099 --> 00:34:58,829 stick to your mobile phone and what it 808 00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:01,109 does you see is it takes the the 809 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:03,240 frequencies that the mobile phone is 810 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:05,250 pulling in from the air and that could 811 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:07,530 harm your brain and converts them into 812 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,950 something happy and fluffy very nice for 813 00:35:14,539 --> 00:35:12,720 your brain this is like little 814 00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:14,549 holographic stickers oh it's not 815 00:35:18,799 --> 00:35:16,380 actually hold right so it's just just a 816 00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:18,809 pretty color okay if I remember 817 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:20,790 correctly there's one in teal and one in 818 00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:24,569 lime also there's some sort of nonsense 819 00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:26,790 marketing colors like that I'll wait my 820 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:30,150 cynical self is showing I see so this is 821 00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:32,040 a little sticky you put on your mobile 822 00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:34,559 phone and it does wonderful things to 823 00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:36,030 prevent you being harmed by naughty 824 00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:37,950 radiation now why he has this been 825 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:39,150 brought to our attention yesterday 826 00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,690 morning Sydney's Daily Telegraph which i 827 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:44,460 believe is currently the best-selling 828 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:48,089 newspaper in sydney as possibly so put 829 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:50,010 out a piece talking about these cooling 830 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,490 many things yeah brand new online it was 831 00:35:57,049 --> 00:35:54,720 online i think it was in the actual 832 00:35:59,059 --> 00:35:57,059 physical paper is right okay this is 833 00:36:01,520 --> 00:35:59,069 written by a jack told Steven fennec 834 00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:01,530 who's there technology correspondent 835 00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:03,380 other thing is their technology editor 836 00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:05,240 but he's a technology can correspond 837 00:36:09,339 --> 00:36:07,759 entire and so he's talking about these 838 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:09,349 cooling minis inserts into newly 839 00:36:15,849 --> 00:36:11,450 launched product enhance quite amazing 840 00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:15,859 astounding so these things claim to stop 841 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:17,960 the radiation from mobile phones melting 842 00:36:22,269 --> 00:36:20,210 your brain it's very Handy's this is 843 00:36:25,089 --> 00:36:22,279 extremely happy and so he wrote a report 844 00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,099 which was published on least online and 845 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:26,720 probably in the physical paper well I 846 00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,130 just like to pull you up on one small 847 00:36:32,349 --> 00:36:29,839 detail that Richard oh yes you said 848 00:36:34,299 --> 00:36:32,359 wrote the report oh yes a lot of it was 849 00:36:38,019 --> 00:36:34,309 in marketing speak and suspicion is that 850 00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:38,029 it was just copied friend from the key 851 00:36:41,529 --> 00:36:39,980 link manufacturers themselves often the 852 00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:41,539 press release morphine from a press 853 00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:44,960 release e ad does I've got my label the 854 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:47,390 chap obviously I had a I had a chance to 855 00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:49,160 read this article Jason and I actually 856 00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:50,900 didn't really read it thoroughly I just 857 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:54,109 perused it and when i came across the 858 00:37:01,210 --> 00:36:58,130 key link realigns the body's energy 859 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:01,220 systems to chase away the naughty I mean 860 00:37:05,410 --> 00:37:02,569 it was like I believe that was in the 861 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:05,420 second paragraph yeah yes and then I got 862 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:07,250 to the paragraph that then said a 863 00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,650 naturopathic said and that's that's what 864 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:11,119 I think I think they actually turned at 865 00:37:17,759 --> 00:37:14,690 naturopathic physician yes yes but yeah 866 00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:17,769 yeah this entire article was essentially 867 00:37:23,289 --> 00:37:20,630 spruiking this product with very little 868 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:23,299 evidence base and I mean we've heard 869 00:37:26,319 --> 00:37:24,920 this story before on the skeptics on you 870 00:37:28,089 --> 00:37:26,329 know we've got power balance that we 871 00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:28,099 thought about on it in the ikan banjo 872 00:37:31,150 --> 00:37:29,809 all these kind of things this is 873 00:37:33,339 --> 00:37:31,160 basically power balance for your phone 874 00:37:36,819 --> 00:37:33,349 yeah no evidence whatsoever bunch of 875 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:36,829 nonsense but it's in a national national 876 00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:40,130 newspaper from a reputable so-called 877 00:37:46,569 --> 00:37:43,369 reputable journalist but then it came to 878 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:46,579 our attention of course it did and this 879 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:49,369 is where the the new way of doing things 880 00:37:52,299 --> 00:37:50,930 is really starting to show itself I 881 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:52,309 think that's right the Internet the 882 00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:55,190 internet the internet came out the 883 00:37:59,499 --> 00:37:56,630 internet detective just came straight 884 00:38:05,289 --> 00:37:59,509 idea bears made composed fifty-fifty 885 00:38:07,059 --> 00:38:05,299 bats and detectives so basically what 886 00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:07,069 I've what I've said in my own blog posts 887 00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:08,150 that have done about this and I'm sure 888 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:09,270 Richard will link to that 889 00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,310 I will very kindly in the show notes and 890 00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:13,440 your blog is my colleagues are idiots 891 00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:16,940 calm thank you I'd actually said that 892 00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,230 when you try and pull the wool over the 893 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,180 Internet sighs the internet goes a bit 894 00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:24,480 nuts so basically the whole of Twitter 895 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:27,660 yesterday was I mean there's normally a 896 00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:28,770 little bit of a funeral about 897 00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,350 journalists on Twitter we do tend to 898 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:33,060 have a bit of a go at journalists 899 00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,950 because we like things to be right and 900 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:36,720 were like things to be correct it was 901 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:39,690 all about Steven yesterday and and today 902 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:41,730 in fact he vanished at about 903 00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:43,710 eleven-thirty yesterday morning after 904 00:38:48,830 --> 00:38:46,350 saying this product has a scientific 905 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:48,840 base and that was no ass till last we've 906 00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:51,150 heard from ya as far as we know he could 907 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:52,830 be face down in a ditch somewhere now of 908 00:38:58,070 --> 00:38:56,250 course i don't know if i was the first i 909 00:39:00,800 --> 00:38:58,080 guess i was one of the first to put a 910 00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,810 comment on the story itself and i waited 911 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:02,820 for it to be moderated and published and 912 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:06,110 never wise i'd i'd dropped on about 913 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:09,660 1130-1145 just before lunch yesterday 914 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:12,570 hear it they never published a single 915 00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:15,780 comment on the story and today they 916 00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:17,870 closed off comments yeah so the 917 00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:20,100 territory letely closed off the comments 918 00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:21,300 and then at the end of the day today at 919 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:23,120 about i think it was for 30 or so 920 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:26,850 actually pulled the story completely one 921 00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:28,530 of the things you found out Jason was 922 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:32,190 that the guy Finnick his brother has 923 00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:33,690 something to do with this product right 924 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:35,670 I will have to admit I didn't find that 925 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:39,930 out myself i was told that by a chap 926 00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,460 called donzi act down z on twitter he 927 00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:46,380 dug that up I think he got that from 928 00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,230 Cameron Riley on Twitter hi guys we all 929 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:51,540 love each other hi Daddy I know down to 930 00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:54,120 his friends with Craig camber mm-hmm so 931 00:40:03,440 --> 00:39:58,230 I'm basically Steven fennec is the 932 00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:03,450 brother of Mario Fenech the rugby league 933 00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:05,940 player X rugby league player now channel 934 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:09,510 9 Footy Show pundit says it is an 935 00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:12,330 endorser of this Q link that you might 936 00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:14,460 have noticed has a naming similarity 937 00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:15,700 with Steven fennec Mary 938 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:17,859 fanuc Stephen fennec they sound a little 939 00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:19,810 similar though maybe but it turns out 940 00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:21,940 that Mario Fenech is Stephens Phoenix 941 00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,380 brother and Stephen did not reveal this 942 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:28,240 in the article that he probably 943 00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:30,010 published yesterday fourth of November 944 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:32,680 he also didn't reveal that in the two 945 00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:34,270 previous articles that he published in 946 00:40:41,099 --> 00:40:39,640 2004 on the cooling system and I mean 947 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:41,109 frankly this is a bit of a breach of 948 00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:44,890 journalistic ethics section 4 I believe 949 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:47,589 of the the Australian journalists code 950 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:51,430 of conduct sort of says that you ought 951 00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,310 to reveal these sort of sort of 952 00:40:59,460 --> 00:40:56,079 conflicts of interest which is kind of 953 00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:59,470 interesting isn't it do you mean that 954 00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:01,180 there might be some professional bodies 955 00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:02,380 that would be interested to hear about 956 00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,660 the storages well then mine then I'm 957 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:07,599 sure at some point somebody will tell 958 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:09,010 these professional bodies about these 959 00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:11,490 things and I'm sure if you go to my blog 960 00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:16,000 might find out about did that you 961 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:18,310 mentioned before that he the last tweet 962 00:41:22,829 --> 00:41:20,050 he left was that there is scientific 963 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:22,839 evidence to back this up indeed now you 964 00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:25,750 went yesterday he had here to treat 965 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:28,960 yesterday one was fabulous new product 966 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:31,060 cuts down the radiation from your cell 967 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:34,089 phone and then he got reply from a chap 968 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:36,670 called dds d whose full name of 969 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:38,970 completely forgotten I'm sorry mate 970 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:43,770 saying so this thing does it work and 971 00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:47,260 Stephen replied yes it's founded in 972 00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:50,680 science yeah and at that point the whole 973 00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:53,260 thing was just exploding on Twitter and 974 00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:54,910 he vanished Stephen just completely 975 00:42:01,380 --> 00:41:59,050 vanished hmm so I send a reply to 976 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:01,390 Stephen saying so this thing's 977 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,849 scientifica I guess you'll have the 978 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:06,400 links to the studies then and I heard 979 00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:10,540 nothing check with chick shipments 980 00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:14,980 crickets chirping and a tumbleweed went 981 00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:20,319 by tumbleweed these cover things in a 982 00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:21,849 couple of gun fires were over there 983 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:24,400 usually time Tom another tumbleweed came 984 00:42:28,229 --> 00:42:26,410 by and I went right okay i'll check out 985 00:42:30,749 --> 00:42:28,239 the cooling website 986 00:42:32,549 --> 00:42:30,759 and cue link has a scientific study 987 00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:32,559 section on their website cooling 988 00:42:43,019 --> 00:42:38,589 Australia that's good it's like I'm 989 00:42:45,209 --> 00:42:43,029 there again come back in time I so 990 00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:45,219 they've got a scientific study section 991 00:42:51,629 --> 00:42:47,909 on our website which cites nine 992 00:42:53,549 --> 00:42:51,639 scientific studies no wow this being an 993 00:42:57,569 --> 00:42:53,559 audio only podcast you can't see my 994 00:43:01,799 --> 00:42:57,579 fingers precisely arias scientific 995 00:43:04,259 --> 00:43:01,809 studies so I'm so last night I sat down 996 00:43:05,609 --> 00:43:04,269 in my house and I went okay I'm gonna 997 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:05,619 allocate a couple of hours to go through 998 00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:08,049 these studies and I've gone through 999 00:43:12,389 --> 00:43:10,689 scientific study before nine of them 1000 00:43:16,259 --> 00:43:12,399 this is probably gonna take me most of 1001 00:43:19,409 --> 00:43:16,269 the evening i thought i SAT there and I 1002 00:43:21,179 --> 00:43:19,419 started downloading I pulled them down 1003 00:43:24,059 --> 00:43:21,189 and they downloaded quite quickly i was 1004 00:43:26,819 --> 00:43:24,069 quite suspicious about this because 1005 00:43:29,819 --> 00:43:26,829 normally a scientific study cancer may 1006 00:43:31,949 --> 00:43:29,829 you're so on a PDF yeah yeah you got 1007 00:43:35,339 --> 00:43:31,959 away from download these ones just fell 1008 00:43:38,219 --> 00:43:35,349 into my desktop quite quickly so i 1009 00:43:40,949 --> 00:43:38,229 opened the first off and it was a study 1010 00:43:43,169 --> 00:43:40,959 I if you'll allow me I'll just pull this 1011 00:43:44,969 --> 00:43:43,179 whole not on my blog so I couldn't see 1012 00:43:46,649 --> 00:43:44,979 why did I did enjoy reading your blog 1013 00:43:51,779 --> 00:43:46,659 actually I must say I furry buddy enjoys 1014 00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:51,789 reading my blog www.hyken.com and as one 1015 00:44:01,439 --> 00:43:55,119 of your colleagues at all why you are 1016 00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:01,449 long story so anyway the the evidence 1017 00:44:09,029 --> 00:44:04,419 goes like this the first study is a 1018 00:44:12,419 --> 00:44:09,039 study entitled SRT and sympathetic 1019 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:12,429 resonance technology this is SRT now a 1020 00:44:17,729 --> 00:44:15,249 slight digression yeah we all know that 1021 00:44:22,019 --> 00:44:17,739 homeopathy and the like work on the 1022 00:44:24,409 --> 00:44:22,029 concept sympathetic magic they've thrown 1023 00:44:29,069 --> 00:44:24,419 in the word sympathetic right into their 1024 00:44:31,249 --> 00:44:29,079 marketing do they think that we don't 1025 00:44:34,229 --> 00:44:31,259 know what they're talking about they do 1026 00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:34,239 they do they then well then for a long 1027 00:44:36,269 --> 00:44:35,079 time now 1028 00:44:38,579 --> 00:44:36,279 people have gotten away with a lot of 1029 00:44:42,209 --> 00:44:38,589 stuff these days are coming to an end 1030 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:42,219 sympathetic resonance technology so the 1031 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:45,569 the first study is entitled SRT 1032 00:44:52,769 --> 00:44:48,249 sympathetic resonance technology and the 1033 00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:52,779 effects of EMF that could be a 1980s 1034 00:44:57,809 --> 00:44:54,599 banned from the UK or any 1035 00:44:59,130 --> 00:44:57,819 electromagnetic frequencies on human 1036 00:45:01,739 --> 00:44:59,140 brain cells and that was done in 1037 00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:01,749 September 2002 now this claims that it 1038 00:45:07,019 --> 00:45:05,349 was done let me see I didn't note this 1039 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:07,029 in my blog but I mean just trying to 1040 00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:08,950 remember a university of wollongong you 1041 00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:11,049 Stanford University and one of the 1042 00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:12,190 university that I can't remember the 1043 00:45:20,279 --> 00:45:16,420 name of apparently did this it was a non 1044 00:45:24,509 --> 00:45:20,289 blinded well single blinded poorly 1045 00:45:26,339 --> 00:45:24,519 controlled very small sample study it 1046 00:45:28,769 --> 00:45:26,349 seems like someone's control just to 1047 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:28,779 practice what you do if you wanted to do 1048 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:33,400 a lame study basically and it was funded 1049 00:45:38,279 --> 00:45:35,650 by claris products international LLC of 1050 00:45:41,969 --> 00:45:38,289 San Rafael California did I make who 1051 00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,979 exactly who's who is that company over 1052 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:44,140 that company but that company is a 1053 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:49,089 government funding body right ya know 1054 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:51,430 that company makes the Q and bracelet 1055 00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:54,729 dang know and there were more studies 1056 00:45:57,749 --> 00:45:56,140 but basically do they were more studies 1057 00:45:59,999 --> 00:45:57,759 but the studies go on and on and on 1058 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:00,009 there were life blood analysis studies 1059 00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:02,140 and doctor ratings done an article on 1060 00:46:07,049 --> 00:46:04,900 like your analysis there were so you 1061 00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:07,059 suggesting that the studies they put up 1062 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:09,279 on their website to back their their 1063 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:13,569 product and probably what we would call 1064 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:15,609 proper and reputable scientific study 1065 00:46:22,739 --> 00:46:17,410 Richard let me put it in a single word 1066 00:46:26,339 --> 00:46:22,749 yeah I see mmm so yeah the the 1067 00:46:29,939 --> 00:46:26,349 studies were nine of them poorly 1068 00:46:32,789 --> 00:46:29,949 controlled poorly conducted and I mean 1069 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:32,799 you'll love this one Richard this as you 1070 00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:35,049 are so well versed with applied 1071 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:37,180 kinesiology the last two studies on the 1072 00:46:42,689 --> 00:46:39,880 list well conducted by chiropractors 1073 00:46:46,459 --> 00:46:42,699 using applied kinesiology as their 1074 00:46:52,799 --> 00:46:46,469 metric space having this 1075 00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:52,809 elbow palma de really really really um 1076 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:55,420 yeah my daddy what are you measuring 1077 00:47:01,380 --> 00:46:57,249 there whether your brain damaged or 1078 00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:01,390 something well did I once again on way 1079 00:47:06,539 --> 00:47:04,329 too much you are the title of those were 1080 00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:06,549 effective cooling dependent on muscle 1081 00:47:12,029 --> 00:47:09,839 weakness patterns in the body and 1082 00:47:13,469 --> 00:47:12,039 effects of curing pendant on muscle 1083 00:47:15,929 --> 00:47:13,479 weakness and other chronic symptoms 1084 00:47:21,089 --> 00:47:15,939 attributed to EMF exposes so what we got 1085 00:47:23,549 --> 00:47:21,099 here is a mythical condition the EMF 1086 00:47:26,989 --> 00:47:23,559 sensitivity yeah being treated by 1087 00:47:29,939 --> 00:47:26,999 mythical practitioners chiropractors 1088 00:47:34,529 --> 00:47:29,949 we're the mythical methodology applied 1089 00:47:40,799 --> 00:47:34,539 kinesiology with no blinding using a 1090 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:40,809 mythical intervention killing and I've 1091 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:42,609 just run out of things I think gets 1092 00:47:47,009 --> 00:47:45,609 worse it gets worse because someone 1093 00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,019 brought to our attention that this 1094 00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:48,640 product was mentioned on a morning 1095 00:47:58,019 --> 00:47:53,529 television program was even in the last 1096 00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,029 two days in at any rate we do by their 1097 00:48:02,579 --> 00:48:00,160 technology reporter now I happen to have 1098 00:48:05,609 --> 00:48:02,589 a just a little clip of the audio from 1099 00:48:07,799 --> 00:48:05,619 that which I'll play right now well now 1100 00:48:10,469 --> 00:48:07,809 to the new device that could protect you 1101 00:48:12,329 --> 00:48:10,479 from mobile phone radiation for more i'm 1102 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:12,339 joined by today technology over charlie 1103 00:48:16,709 --> 00:48:14,109 brown good morning to you doing with now 1104 00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:16,719 this thing is called the qlink mini yeah 1105 00:48:19,919 --> 00:48:18,039 that's it what's a little five-cent 1106 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:19,929 piece looking device it's on the back of 1107 00:48:25,259 --> 00:48:23,410 your phone and the idea around it is if 1108 00:48:26,789 --> 00:48:25,269 i just take you back over the years of 1109 00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:26,799 using mobile phones we've had devices 1110 00:48:32,459 --> 00:48:29,160 that repel and shield us from radiation 1111 00:48:33,959 --> 00:48:32,469 they are answer to ten years ago and now 1112 00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,969 we've got and we've got devices that 1113 00:48:38,579 --> 00:48:35,920 that take the phone away from your ears 1114 00:48:41,249 --> 00:48:38,589 such as an earpiece or USB those kinds 1115 00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:41,259 of devices speakerphone this is designed 1116 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:44,920 to transform the the radiation that is 1117 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:46,660 coming into the phone and that's that's 1118 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:48,670 through the the signal the antenna on 1119 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:50,650 the phone transform it from something 1120 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:52,569 that's potentially doing you harm to 1121 00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:54,249 something that is more in tune with your 1122 00:48:58,799 --> 00:48:56,140 body's natural frequencies it's a very 1123 00:48:59,620 --> 00:48:58,809 scientific idea the theory is that that 1124 00:49:02,410 --> 00:48:59,630 radiation 1125 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:02,420 you taught you spoken to a couple of 1126 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:03,770 brain surgeons and they don't like 1127 00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:05,090 people putting the phone next to the 1128 00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,830 area though they say it could 1129 00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:08,480 potentially do damage Charlie Teo is 1130 00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:10,220 always talking about that he's a big 1131 00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:12,920 campaigner for that now what this is 1132 00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:14,420 designed to do it's not doesn't actually 1133 00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:16,190 repel the radiation of right way from 1134 00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:17,630 the phone or anything like that it 1135 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:20,150 transfers it and so it's it sort of 1136 00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:22,250 absorbs it through the device into the 1137 00:49:26,110 --> 00:49:24,230 phone into your body and it's no longer 1138 00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:26,120 doing your body harm that's the idea 1139 00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:27,560 what's it made of I don't know is 1140 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:30,920 whether it's a proprietary compound of 1141 00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:32,090 design and I've been doing it for about 1142 00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:35,480 ten years now and they've say that I've 1143 00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:36,710 done a whole bunch of clinical 1144 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:38,750 scientific trials and they say that it 1145 00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:40,970 is a lot better for you and the types of 1146 00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:42,020 things but we were talked about doing 1147 00:49:46,510 --> 00:49:44,260 you harm radiation isn't all about 1148 00:49:48,940 --> 00:49:46,520 potentially causing your cancer it's 1149 00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:48,950 about making your body feel more 1150 00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:53,540 lethargic or and tired and changing and 1151 00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,580 because it changes the the types of 1152 00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:57,440 radiation that your body is exposed to 1153 00:50:02,320 --> 00:49:59,630 naturally the jury is very much out it 1154 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:02,330 is at least how much damage not only the 1155 00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,490 radiation does and and the jury's out on 1156 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:07,040 this as well yeah well my phone I have 1157 00:50:11,710 --> 00:50:09,110 an earpiece connected I kept this thing 1158 00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,720 is far away from my head as possible I 1159 00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:13,760 don't care what anyone tells me after 1160 00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:15,020 talking on this thing for a couple of 1161 00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:17,300 hours which is very easy to do it gets 1162 00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:19,460 hot and starts to make my head perspire 1163 00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:21,230 so I keep it away from my head this 1164 00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:22,700 device costs about fifty bucks it's 1165 00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:23,990 saying it's working in a different way 1166 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:26,600 but still designed to do better than 1167 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:28,130 putting your phone next to your ear 1168 00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:30,650 clean and an unprotected is this 1169 00:50:34,510 --> 00:50:32,180 available in Australia where you buy off 1170 00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,520 their website okay hard questions sorry 1171 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:37,280 would you recommend it ah I'd have to 1172 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:39,110 try it I haven't tried it and I'm very 1173 00:50:43,780 --> 00:50:41,450 skeptical about people saying clinical 1174 00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:43,790 tests say that this is going to work 1175 00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,760 right but look to be honest anything is 1176 00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:48,800 better or on the side of course exactly 1177 00:50:51,370 --> 00:50:49,820 anything's better putting your phone 1178 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:51,380 next to your head for a long period not 1179 00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:53,560 good cool thanks a lot for that Charlie 1180 00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,820 the funny thing about that though was 1181 00:51:00,640 --> 00:50:58,160 that Richard you noticed that two days 1182 00:51:03,550 --> 00:51:00,650 prior to this appearing on The Today 1183 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:03,560 Show they had choice on two days ago 1184 00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:05,330 right they had representatives from 1185 00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:07,670 choice magazine the two days prior to 1186 00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:09,590 talk about different scams and 1187 00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:11,300 types and things like that and this guy 1188 00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:13,190 is Charlie Brown this technology report 1189 00:51:16,930 --> 00:51:14,900 has been on the program in the past 1190 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:16,940 which he has put up on his own blog 1191 00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:19,540 talking about scams and cyber scares 1192 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:21,800 this is a different guy right this is 1193 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:23,090 not the guy he wrote the article and 1194 00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:24,890 this is a different scientists Today 1195 00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:27,740 Show technology consultants but yeah he 1196 00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:30,920 and Aniyah whatever I'm wasting my 1197 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:34,100 tongue brains exploding it's F blows 1198 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:37,010 this bloke exploded but yeah it's kind 1199 00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:39,410 of I find it interesting that to 1200 00:51:44,410 --> 00:51:42,440 technology correspondents who probably 1201 00:51:45,610 --> 00:51:44,420 have some sort of association both 1202 00:51:48,490 --> 00:51:45,620 spreaking the same thing at the same 1203 00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,500 time Jason thanks very much for filling 1204 00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:51,440 us in on this folks please go to jason's 1205 00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,020 website to find a full critique of this 1206 00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:56,240 whole thing including the research he's 1207 00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,210 done on the so-called tests now you two 1208 00:52:02,590 --> 00:52:01,280 why you've been there and I we've been 1209 00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:02,600 on all been chatting I just had a 1210 00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:05,240 message come in all right I'm going to 1211 00:52:09,610 --> 00:52:06,500 show I'm going to turn my computer on 1212 00:52:11,830 --> 00:52:09,620 i'm going to show you this do i need to 1213 00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:11,840 get your reactive breath you have your 1214 00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:13,400 sick bags ready first i'm going to show 1215 00:52:17,890 --> 00:52:15,590 you the bottom of this page as you can 1216 00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:17,900 see here's a page selling these are 1217 00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:19,910 another form of these power balances 1218 00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:24,160 right right the company selling this is 1219 00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:29,480 yes yes yes what SBS the broadcaster 1220 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:31,190 here in australia which we hold in high 1221 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:35,810 regard I certainly a holographic balance 1222 00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:39,650 bracelet for sixty dollars now our 1223 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:41,240 listeners might be in Australia 1224 00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:43,010 especially but this shows available 1225 00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:46,100 online meteor watch which is the media 1226 00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,990 watchdog here in Australia we love media 1227 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:50,480 one we love me to watch media watches 1228 00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:52,730 ABC's the ABC be in the national 1229 00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,420 broadcaster the abc's media feedback 1230 00:53:00,280 --> 00:52:58,640 program you can contact media watch with 1231 00:53:02,650 --> 00:53:00,290 any complaint about the media that you 1232 00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:02,660 like and we have in fact contacted them 1233 00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:04,220 about the Daily Telegraph story and we 1234 00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:05,510 will be contacting them about the 1235 00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:07,700 channel nine today programme yeah worry 1236 00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:10,880 yeah so watch out on monday if you get 1237 00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:13,160 this podcast by that it might be on 1238 00:53:16,210 --> 00:53:14,750 media ones i hope you watch we're hoping 1239 00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:16,220 they'll be a media watch well the other 1240 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,510 thing is just and you're going to put 1241 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:19,740 this video up on youtube oh that's very 1242 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:21,570 we'll be on youtube at my channel you 1243 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:23,010 will find that through my blog which 1244 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:24,450 I've already mentioned now but your 1245 00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:26,250 YouTube channel is mated channel is 1246 00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:28,140 youtube.com forward slash stop that 1247 00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:31,980 astronaut I think that I'm just in 1248 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:33,060 finishing this is a really interesting 1249 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:36,690 exercise in the fact that people just I 1250 00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:39,330 mean first of all this guy's a 1251 00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,550 technology editor right or technology 1252 00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:44,400 commentator well both of them are well 1253 00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:46,440 yeah but the guy who pulled the story 1254 00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:48,660 was pulled yeah the internet doesn't 1255 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,790 forget stuff he should you should know 1256 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:53,040 no the internet is entirely composed of 1257 00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:54,930 science and detective it's being a twit 1258 00:53:59,540 --> 00:53:57,180 peaked yeah don't four have you singer 1259 00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,550 yeah great screengrab did and we all got 1260 00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,260 it and it's all being sent around I've 1261 00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:03,119 got the entire thing as an MHT file I've 1262 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:04,619 got all the background from it I've got 1263 00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:06,390 the entire website of the cooling 1264 00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:08,040 company if they pull anything I've got 1265 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:09,750 the whole thing yeah I Jason if people 1266 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,730 want to follow you on twitter now where 1267 00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:13,800 can they go oh well if their listeners 1268 00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,180 to the think tank they'd already know 1269 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,640 this but you can find me at twitter com 1270 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:20,160 forward slash drunken madman that's the 1271 00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:23,250 one thank you Jason for that report it's 1272 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:25,020 nice to see that we can actually get 1273 00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,570 things done the Twitter army comes into 1274 00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:29,520 action I like getting things done I love 1275 00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:32,760 it let's just make sure we know the 1276 00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:34,859 Internet's not our private army the 1277 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:37,950 internet does its own thing yeah and you 1278 00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:40,730 know try not to annoy the internet 1279 00:55:09,089 --> 00:54:44,670 especially the cats just 18 25 and thank 1280 00:55:13,809 --> 00:55:11,620 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1281 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:13,819 zone what a mixed bag it was this week 1282 00:55:19,749 --> 00:55:18,170 on next week's show we have you know I'm 1283 00:55:21,249 --> 00:55:19,759 not even sure we have on next week's 1284 00:55:22,809 --> 00:55:21,259 show sometimes I don't even know until 1285 00:55:25,299 --> 00:55:22,819 the day before but that's part of the 1286 00:55:27,279 --> 00:55:25,309 fun part of the magic of doing the 1287 00:55:29,890 --> 00:55:27,289 skeptics oh hey did you catch dr. Richie 1288 00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:29,900 on the latest geologic podcast if you're 1289 00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:32,119 not listening or you don't subscribe to 1290 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:34,670 the geologic podcast by George rub i 1291 00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:36,890 recommend you dude so there's a 1292 00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:39,470 fantastic interview with dr. Reggie on 1293 00:55:45,269 --> 00:55:42,680 the last episode but until next week's 1294 00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:45,279 show which is a mystery to one and all 1295 00:55:50,349 --> 00:55:47,720 this is Richard Saunders thanking 1296 00:55:54,849 --> 00:55:50,359 everybody who donates and subscribes to 1297 00:55:56,829 --> 00:55:54,859 the skeptic zone yes it helps a lot this 1298 00:56:02,079 --> 00:55:56,839 is Richard Saunders signing off from 1299 00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:02,089 Sydney Australia you've been listening 1300 00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:05,920 to the skeptic zone visit our website at 1301 00:56:14,130 --> 00:56:10,160 WWF digs on TV for comments contacts and